MLB Network’s ‘Top 10 Centerfielders Right Now’ List In An Absolute Insult To Adam Jones

Sports and Bets — January 15, 2016 at 12:01 pm by

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MLB Network released their annual list of their Top Ten Centerfielders right now, and here’s how the list looked:

 

10. Adam Jones – Orioles

9. Carlos Gomez – Astros

8.┬áRandal Grichuk – Cardinals

7.┬áKevin Kiermaier – Rays

6. Adam Eaton – White Sox

5. Jason Heyward – Cubs

4. Andrew McCutchen – Pirates

3. Lorenzo Cain – Royals

2. AJ Pollock – DBacks

1. Mike Trout – Angels

 

What an absolute slap in the face to Adam Jones.

Kevin Kiermaier hit .263, with 10 home runs and 40 RBI last year. And he ranks three spots above Jones. In my opinion, it goes Trout, McCutchen, Jones, then the rest of those chumps can slot themselves wherever they feel like it, as long as they’re behind Jones. What a weak list.

 

  • Dorsey Mitchell

    I’m an O’s fan but to call Pollock, Cain, Heyward, Gomez, or even Grichuk “chumps” is pretty unintelligent. Three of the five are 100% better than Jones, the 4th (Gomez) could easily be if he comes back healthy, and the fifth (Grichuk) is still young but showing promise that he could in fact be better than Jones right now – which is the point of the article. Just look at the WAR differences between Pollock/Cain/Heyward and Jones over the last 2 or so years. I like Adam Jones but it was only a matter of time before his inability to take a walk caught up to him – by now we all should understand that OBP is far more important than Avg and he’s carried a below league average OBP in 4 of his last 5 seasons – and it’s been going in the wrong direction every year since 2012 as he moves towards 30 and away from his peak – so yes, right now it’s fairly reasonable to put the majority of those “chumps” ahead of him

    Note: thanks to his superb fielding Kiermaier’s WAR even doubled up Jones this year (and if he’d played a full season last year – would have then too) and their averages were only .006 apart.. not saying he’s definitively better than Jones because of that fact, but you can see, when combining that with his age vs Jones’ age, why some may consider him better right now

    Look at things without the biased and supplement your beliefs with facts – otherwise you make us O’s fans look like petulant children

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

        • Ryan Christopher

          See i would have to disagree, i think that it is a little too low. I need another just as good if not better year out of Pollock to throw him in the top 5. Heyward doesnt even play center so he is definitely not top 5 and neither is Cain. and to go back to your original comment talking about Kiermaier and his defense, you used the word superb but Jones had just as good if not better of a defensive year. i feel like this article and your comments are basing everything off last year alone…last year was a down year for Jones struggling with injuries and playing hurt for most of the season. the way i look at it is you would have to throw him at 3 or 4. what center fielders besides Trout, McCutchen, and Jones give you a little bit of everything in they’re game? I need another year or two to see what Pollock and Grichuk have got, but they have potential to be top 5 if not already but not enough to put ahead of Jones yet. How many of these guys on this list are going to give you a .290-.310 AVG / 25-35 HR / 80-100 RBI / 10-20 SB / and play excellent Defense? How many of them are 5 Tool Players. Jones, McCutchen, and Trout are the only ones in my opinion right now.

          • Ryan Christopher

            The WAR stat is nonsense anyway, i dont think its even fair to judge players based off that. Jones produced 129 Runs for his team, where as Kiermaier produced 92 for his team. Baltimore was ranked 18th in overall pitching and Tampa Bay was ranked 11th. Tampa let up 642 Runs where Baltimore let up 693 Runs, and Jones had a better defensive year. So how can Jones WAR stat really affect anything if the pitching let up 51 more runs, but the Orioles still finished with a better record. Like i said WAR is nonsense.

          • Dorsey Mitchell

            Sounds as though you are not one who has stepped into the analytical age (not that there is anything wrong with that). But WAR, at least for batting is much more efficient at measuring value than runs & RBIs. The number of runs scored or RBIs, for the most part, is a product of where in the order you bat and the team around you – assuming that you’ve done your job when you are up the rest is just luck of the draw. For your example of Kiermaier (who I said I wouldn’t rank above Jones): he batted generally 2nd or 9th – neither of those are good RBI spots traditionally and he was on a And the rest of those numbers again have no bearing on how good an individual player is – you’re just listing team statistics.. if the argument was who is more important to their team, then maybe sure – looking at the % of the value they added to their individual teams would be relevant – but we’re just talking the best overall CF’s in the league right now. Now on to the rest of your points. WAR is not perfect – but it is one of the most important sabermetric stats out there and very very far from nonsense

            1) My comments, and this ranking, are in fact basing everything off of not solely last year – but heavily so that feeling is correct. It’s not a life time achievement ranking – it’s a who, based off of recent success, is predicted to be the best right now.

            2) Jason Heyward has only played some CF in his career to date but he’s had a 1.000 FP in the 233 Innings and is slated to play CF for the Cubs as of now – so I say putting him on the list is valid when, again, we’re talking about player rankings moving forward – not in the past

            3) I’m not sure if you were implying Cain is not a CF or just not in the top 5. Cain is in fact a CF though – close to 3,000 innings there over the last three years. And based on his last two seasons he certainly belongs there – maybe with a little less power, but his speed, average, OBP, and solid defense should not go anywhere based on peripheral statistics

            4) Again, I put Grichuk behind Jones but Pollock has had enough time to settle in. He played 75 games in 2014 and 157 in 2015.. over that 960 innings he was as stable a player as can be with a .300+ average, .350+ OBP, .498 slug, and 20HR/30+SB pace per season. Add that to above average defense and he’s clearly well ahead of Jones at this point – and again, peripherals and sample size suggest it’s no fluke

            5) Jones has never hit 35 HRs and hasn’t hit 30 since 2013 so you are extending your range there quite a bit, but yes I will admit his ability to hit the ball out of the park is one of his strongest arguements. Again RBIs are not any sort of indicator of a player’s ability, getting to hit with people on base is not a skill – other than to say he’s worthy of batting in the middle of the order. You are again extending his range on Avg and SBs as well – as he’s never batted above .287 (which is still very good) and has never stolen more than 16 bases.. in fact he hasn’t even stolen 10 since 2013

            6) One more time – average is the least important of batting statistics – far less telling of skill than OBP and even further behind wOBA which takes in account plate discipline and power in a far more effective manner than OPS. On average, every point of wOBA is worth about .5 runs above average per 600 PA and over the last 2 years combined, per 600 PA Pollock, Cain, and Heyward have out performed Jones (granted Heyward was fairly close)

            Putting Jones at 6 at age 30 is not an insult to him – and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but until you can back it with legit statistical points to say he’s definitively better than those others I’m not changing my mind. And my original post was more to the author being such a cry baby throwing out a bias, calling other high caliber players chumps, and having nothing to back it up with. It doesn’t make our fan base look intelligent

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

      • Dorsey Mitchell

        6th behind Trout, McCutchen, Cain, Heyward, Pollock (not necessarily in that order). A little good luck this year and he can rebound some of that value (though the sub .315 OBP will always sting) jumping up a spot or two maybe but you can’t just assume that.

        Also though I’m not ranking him above until I see a full season I can get why Grichuk would be in some eyes with pedigree and production to date (granted smaller sample size)

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Ryan Christopher

      Dorsey can I ask where you would rank Jones in this list before I start debating a bit?

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.

    • Birdstheword

      I would rank him 5/6 also behind certain guys. His FLD% is better than a lot, even Cain, who i think gets a little more credit because of his speed rather than his actual defense. And Jones’ OBPS is on par or better than a lot of them. Trout and MCCutchen are obvious 1/2. Heyward is a natural right fielder so i dont know why hes in the mix. He’s a great player but not really for that position. AJ Polluck so far has better numbers in shorter career.